Three years of Boris Bikes: How do people use them?


By Dilla at 2013-08-17 11:32:53
London, UK
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2013-08-21 05:44:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

The ones in Kings Cross get used like crazy. folks use back streets so you don't especially see them all riding around.

Bikes make a great deal more sense in the outer zones where inhabitants really live more then walking distance from the tube. But they would need to keep them over night.

I think the principal catch and why I don't use them. It's hard as shit to return them for the reason that the bays are always full.

This was a good plan with bad execution. It's ultimately just an advert to say London is green and for Barclay's of course.

It's not truly any greener though. They don't lessen the number of buses / tubes / drivers. I'm assured they cost more to the environment to erect the bays and the bikes then they avert by bikers.


2013-08-21 08:08:20

The start of this item makes it sound like there's a lot of wasteage in the system.

I've got to be honest, I think if a station has 1k+ uses a year, then it's doing all right. markedly when others are getting over 100k.

My only concern with the bikes is that they haven't spread far out as much as necessary and at times it's not clear where the stations are. (I one time missed my train on a last minute holy shit I'm going to miss it cycle to Paddington on a Boris Bike. Had to go round the whole station before I found a place to dock. Missed my train by half a minute).

I imagine they need to reach out to fill zone 2 at least. everybody who lives there could bike to central and this would offer them all the ability. in particular those who have trouble paying ~1k on travelcards.

Thankfully they are at least spreading it to some extent - parts of Wandsworth and Lambeth are going live over the next couple years and the East End got the treatment in time in lieu of the olympics. The character of the scheme is that you can't just build them irregularly - you need to build sufficient stations to let people really move around and have a chance of getting and docking a bike.

They've also had to push the stations through in the face of NIMBY concerns from residents who don't want a rank within 10 miles of their house. I went to a consultation discussion where I wanted to impart my support and there was a guy there who was fundamentally saying can I prevent these ever appearing next to my street said it before, but much as people go on about this being idea it took Boris to close (and expand) the undertaking - a Labour mayorship would've just rolled ended at each protest to the development applications.


2013-08-21 08:39:20

To be honest the major shock for me is that we haven't had a lot of accidents. They're kind of encouraging people that don't generally ride much to ride central london lacking a helmet.
Riding a cycle in stop-start traffic is, I would contend, a lot safer than biking round a country path or less hectic street
In my experience London's dangerous because it's so stop start. Also some of the junctions and roundabouts are like machines designed to harvest human flesh (I'm looking at you, hammermsith gyratory)


2013-08-21 09:38:20

The start of this item makes it sound like there's a lot of wasteage in the system.

I've got to be honest, I think if a station has 1k+ uses a year, then it's doing all right. markedly when others are getting over 100k.

My only concern with the bikes is that they haven't spread far out as much as necessary and at times it's not clear where the stations are. (I one time missed my train on a last minute holy shit I'm going to miss it cycle to Paddington on a Boris Bike. Had to go round the whole station before I found a place to dock. Missed my train by half a minute).

I imagine they need to reach out to fill zone 2 at least. everybody who lives there could bike to central and this would offer them all the ability. in particular those who have trouble paying ~1k on travelcards.

Thankfully they are at least spreading it to some extent - parts of Wandsworth and Lambeth are going live over the next couple years and the East End got the treatment in time in lieu of the olympics. The character of the scheme is that you can't just build them irregularly - you need to build sufficient stations to let people really move around and have a chance of getting and docking a bike.

They've also had to push the stations through in the face of NIMBY concerns from residents who don't want a rank within 10 miles of their house. I went to a consultation discussion where I wanted to impart my support and there was a guy there who was fundamentally saying can I prevent these ever appearing next to my street said it before, but much as people go on about this being idea it took Boris to close (and expand) the undertaking - a Labour mayorship would've just rolled ended at each protest to the development applications.

I understand not having them on residential streets. But are these people against having them on high streets as well? How is it worse than having conventional bike lock areas?

I don't understand this point of view.


2013-08-21 11:54:20

To be honest the major shock for me is that we haven't had a lot of accidents. They're kind of encouraging people that don't generally ride much to ride central london lacking a helmet.
Riding a cycle in stop-start traffic is, I would contend, a lot safer than biking round a country path or less hectic street
In my experience London's dangerous because it's so stop start. Also some of the junctions and roundabouts are like machines designed to harvest human flesh (I'm looking at you, hammermsith gyratory)
Hmm, people say that about that one and about Elephant and Castle (before and after its facelift) but I've never had trouble with them.


2013-08-21 12:30:20

I used to use it a lot before it doubled in price


2013-08-21 16:41:20

To be honest the major shock for me is that we haven't had a lot of accidents. They're kind of encouraging people that don't generally ride much to ride central london lacking a helmet.
Wearing a helmet doesn't stop accidents -- just makes them marginally more survivable.
Is it just me, or are bicycle helmets made out of some vaguely stronger form of polystyrene? All I can see them doing is making my ride a little less comfortable.

Wouldn't like to put it throughout the same test that moterbiker did on /r/wtf...

Helmet comfort genuinely is a function of price. The more you pay out the lighter and better ventilated a helmet will be, whilst retaining its protection factor. The heaviness I find is in particular noticeable. As long as you're ok with costs >£40 you should find a extremely comfortable helmet.
Are there valid stats on how they boost safety though? I've never seen any, not comparable with seat belts or motorbike helmets.
There have been loads of studies and reports into the issue.

One argument is that wearing/doing something that makes you feel safer will lead to more accidents as you become less worried about road safety.

Although the outcome is accepted, the degree it actually affects road safety is hotly contested.

The other issue is that requiring people to carry a cycle helmet around just in case they might want to hire a bike would almost certainly reduce useage, and then you have to calculate whether the overall health benefits for society is worth one or two dead cyclists.


2013-08-21 17:00:20

To be honest the major shock for me is that we haven't had a lot of accidents. They're kind of encouraging people that don't generally ride much to ride central london lacking a helmet.
Wearing a helmet doesn't stop accidents -- just makes them marginally more survivable.
Is it just me, or are bicycle helmets made out of some vaguely stronger form of polystyrene? All I can see them doing is making my ride a little less comfortable.

Wouldn't like to put it throughout the same test that moterbiker did on /r/wtf...

Helmet comfort genuinely is a function of price. The more you pay out the lighter and better ventilated a helmet will be, whilst retaining its protection factor. The heaviness I find is in particular noticeable. As long as you're ok with costs >£40 you should find a extremely comfortable helmet.
Are there valid stats on how they boost safety though? I've never seen any, not comparable with seat belts or motorbike helmets.
There have been loads of studies and reports into the issue.

One argument is that wearing/doing something that makes you feel safer will lead to more accidents as you become less worried about road safety.

Although the outcome is accepted, the degree it actually affects road safety is hotly contested.

The other issue is that requiring people to carry a cycle helmet around just in case they might want to hire a bike would almost certainly reduce useage, and then you have to calculate whether the overall health benefits for society is worth one or two dead cyclists.

Alternative is to supply each bike with a helmet which is locked in, the same way the bike is locked in.


2013-08-21 20:14:20

To be honest the major shock for me is that we haven't had a lot of accidents. They're kind of encouraging people that don't generally ride much to ride central london lacking a helmet.
Wearing a helmet doesn't stop accidents -- just makes them marginally more survivable.
Is it just me, or are bicycle helmets made out of some vaguely stronger form of polystyrene? All I can see them doing is making my ride a little less comfortable.

Wouldn't like to put it throughout the same test that moterbiker did on /r/wtf...

Helmet comfort genuinely is a function of price. The more you pay out the lighter and better ventilated a helmet will be, whilst retaining its protection factor. The heaviness I find is in particular noticeable. As long as you're ok with costs >£40 you should find a extremely comfortable helmet.
Are there valid stats on how they boost safety though? I've never seen any, not comparable with seat belts or motorbike helmets.
There have been loads of studies and reports into the issue.

One argument is that wearing/doing something that makes you feel safer will lead to more accidents as you become less worried about road safety.

Although the outcome is accepted, the degree it actually affects road safety is hotly contested.

The other issue is that requiring people to carry a cycle helmet around just in case they might want to hire a bike would almost certainly reduce useage, and then you have to calculate whether the overall health benefits for society is worth one or two dead cyclists.

Alternative is to supply each bike with a helmet which is locked in, the same way the bike is locked in.
Off the top of my head - I seem to recall that was tried in another country.

Didn't work.


2013-08-21 21:38:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

> I feel like they mostly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth become a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Oddly, I would say the literal opposite.

They are a bit of a pest for casual users -- markedly working out how to use the access codes if you are not comfortable with them.

But for standard users with an yearly pass they are brilliant for short hops round the place where you might have once used a bus or the tube.

Just take a look in the rush hour to see floods of commuters looking for one to end the mile of their journey connecting train station and office.

They were brilliant until they doubled the price.
didn't hear about that. i use the dongle and haven't checked my bills but what's the price now?
Membership charges have been doubled.

So it is now £2 for a day's membership instead of £1. And £90 for a year instead of £45. This happened approximately 6 months ago.

That's £180 for a pair which just crosses a certain mental barrier for me. I can't rationalize it.
Still pretty cheap for a bike. Especially when you bare in mind you don't have to pay maintenance. edit: Or pay to replace it when it gets stolen.


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