Three years of Boris Bikes: How do people use them?


By Dilla at 2013-08-17 11:32:53
London, UK
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2013-08-22 19:36:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

I don't think this is true, you can distinguish this by their usage patterns. Where I lived in the South, you had to be there by 9:30am to find one, or they would be gone. And round work in Farringdon they were frequently all gone by about 7:30.


2013-08-23 00:40:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

> I feel like they mostly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth become a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Oddly, I would say the literal opposite.

They are a bit of a pest for casual users -- markedly working out how to use the access codes if you are not comfortable with them.

But for standard users with an yearly pass they are brilliant for short hops round the place where you might have once used a bus or the tube.

Just take a look in the rush hour to see floods of commuters looking for one to end the mile of their journey connecting train station and office.

They were brilliant until they doubled the price.
didn't hear about that. i use the dongle and haven't checked my bills but what's the price now?
Membership charges have been doubled.

So it is now £2 for a day's membership instead of £1. And £90 for a year instead of £45. This happened approximately 6 months ago.

That's £180 for a pair which just crosses a certain mental barrier for me. I can't rationalize it.
Still pretty cheap for a bike. Especially when you bare in mind you don't have to pay maintenance. edit: Or pay to replace it when it gets stolen.
Bikes can be got pretty cheap. I got mine for £80 second hand in as-good-as-new condition with some replacement tyres plus inner tubes. Maintenance expenses are minimal. You get a a great deal higher quality ride for the cash than with the boris bikes, following the first year it's pretty much free.
Until you lock it up someplace and have it stolen in half an hour. I've mislaid 4 bikes that way.
You should maybe get a better lock.


2013-08-23 04:04:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

> I feel like they mostly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth become a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Oddly, I would say the literal opposite.

They are a bit of a pest for casual users -- markedly working out how to use the access codes if you are not comfortable with them.

But for standard users with an yearly pass they are brilliant for short hops round the place where you might have once used a bus or the tube.

Just take a look in the rush hour to see floods of commuters looking for one to end the mile of their journey connecting train station and office.

I know so many people who have tried them and thought hey, this is great. And spent out and bought a bicycle for their day by day commute or frequent use.

I think that's a enormous factor/benefit that never truly gets measured. Raising the appeal and awareness in cycling.

I don't think it can be even partially accurately calculated and there-in lies the issue.
Well, you could quantify bike sales in an area formerly and after they put in the cycle share scheme.


2013-08-23 07:57:20

To be honest the major shock for me is that we haven't had a lot of accidents. They're kind of encouraging people that don't generally ride much to ride central london lacking a helmet.
Wearing a helmet doesn't stop accidents -- just makes them marginally more survivable.
Is it just me, or are bicycle helmets made out of some vaguely stronger form of polystyrene? All I can see them doing is making my ride a little less comfortable.

Wouldn't like to put it throughout the same test that moterbiker did on /r/wtf...

It's easier to cycle in central London than anyplace else. mainly people driving in central London are black cabs and delivery vans. They are used to cyclists being everywhere.

The bikes are also large and clunky and not easy to miss.

The cabs and buses are fine, the white vans plus hire cars are still dickheads.


2013-08-23 11:21:20

I used to use it a lot before it doubled in price
Really?

So something that cost £45 a year was in fact good value and you used it a lot, but something that costs £90 is now such dire value that you wont employ it at all.

That just doesn't make sense.

Of course it makes sense. For different people, the price of the scheme is different. As the price raises, less folks use it.

What you're trying to say, and what I concur with, is that there are awfully few people that would value the scheme *between* £45 and £90 a year. although that doesn't mean there are none.


2013-08-23 12:50:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

> I feel like they mostly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth become a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Oddly, I would say the literal opposite.

They are a bit of a pest for casual users -- markedly working out how to use the access codes if you are not comfortable with them.

But for standard users with an yearly pass they are brilliant for short hops round the place where you might have once used a bus or the tube.

Just take a look in the rush hour to see floods of commuters looking for one to end the mile of their journey connecting train station and office.

They were brilliant until they doubled the price.
didn't hear about that. i use the dongle and haven't checked my bills but what's the price now?
it went from £45 to £90 per year and £1 to £2 for 24hrs
That's still nothing, though.. markedly if you use it daily.. or equal weekly.


2013-08-23 15:39:20

I used to use it a lot before it doubled in price
Really?

So something that cost £45 a year was in fact good value and you used it a lot, but something that costs £90 is now such dire value that you wont employ it at all.

That just doesn't make sense.

Of course it makes sense - its one of the key ethics of Keynesian economics that as price is down demand will be high and after price increases customers will not se the same value so will want less?
Two separate things.

If something costing £45 is great, then I would think the price point at which it is too pricey to use to be quite notably higher than £90.

If the price had gone to £300 per year, and somebody said that at £45 they used it a lot, except now the value for money characteristic means it is a inadequate service, then I would have nodded in agreement.

But for something to transition from fantastic at £45 to dire at £90 is too steep a curve for any market economist to accept.

Well, that is not for your to say, that is for him to say. It might be more worth it to get a low-cost second cycle now.


2013-08-23 20:13:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

> I feel like they mostly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth become a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Oddly, I would say the literal opposite.

They are a bit of a pest for casual users -- markedly working out how to use the access codes if you are not comfortable with them.

But for standard users with an yearly pass they are brilliant for short hops round the place where you might have once used a bus or the tube.

Just take a look in the rush hour to see floods of commuters looking for one to end the mile of their journey connecting train station and office.

They were brilliant until they doubled the price.
didn't hear about that. i use the dongle and haven't checked my bills but what's the price now?
Membership charges have been doubled.

So it is now £2 for a day's membership instead of £1. And £90 for a year instead of £45. This happened approximately 6 months ago.

That's £180 for a pair which just crosses a certain mental barrier for me. I can't rationalize it.
Still pretty cheap for a bike. Especially when you bare in mind you don't have to pay maintenance. edit: Or pay to replace it when it gets stolen.
Bikes can be got pretty cheap. I got mine for £80 second hand in as-good-as-new condition with some replacement tyres plus inner tubes. Maintenance expenses are minimal. You get a a great deal higher quality ride for the cash than with the boris bikes, following the first year it's pretty much free.
You moreover need 2x good locks so hurl another £70 on to that.


2013-08-23 21:04:20

To be honest the major shock for me is that we haven't had a lot of accidents. They're kind of encouraging people that don't generally ride much to ride central london lacking a helmet.
Wearing a helmet doesn't stop accidents -- just makes them marginally more survivable.
Is it just me, or are bicycle helmets made out of some vaguely stronger form of polystyrene? All I can see them doing is making my ride a little less comfortable.

Wouldn't like to put it throughout the same test that moterbiker did on /r/wtf...

Helmet comfort genuinely is a function of price. The more you pay out the lighter and better ventilated a helmet will be, whilst retaining its protection factor. The heaviness I find is in particular noticeable. As long as you're ok with costs >£40 you should find a extremely comfortable helmet.
Are there valid stats on how they boost safety though? I've never seen any, not comparable with seat belts or motorbike helmets.
There have been loads of studies and reports into the issue.

One argument is that wearing/doing something that makes you feel safer will lead to more accidents as you become less worried about road safety.

Although the outcome is accepted, the degree it actually affects road safety is hotly contested.

The other issue is that requiring people to carry a cycle helmet around just in case they might want to hire a bike would almost certainly reduce useage, and then you have to calculate whether the overall health benefits for society is worth one or two dead cyclists.

Alternative is to supply each bike with a helmet which is locked in, the same way the bike is locked in.
Definitely would not put some scummy helmet that's been damaged by other sweating commuters/tourists for years, fermenting in the sun and rain, upon my delicious locks.


2013-08-24 02:04:20

To be honest the major shock for me is that we haven't had a lot of accidents. They're kind of encouraging people that don't generally ride much to ride central london lacking a helmet.
Wearing a helmet doesn't stop accidents -- just makes them marginally more survivable.
Is it just me, or are bicycle helmets made out of some vaguely stronger form of polystyrene? All I can see them doing is making my ride a little less comfortable.

Wouldn't like to put it throughout the same test that moterbiker did on /r/wtf...

Helmet comfort genuinely is a function of price. The more you pay out the lighter and better ventilated a helmet will be, whilst retaining its protection factor. The heaviness I find is in particular noticeable. As long as you're ok with costs >£40 you should find a extremely comfortable helmet.
Are there valid stats on how they boost safety though? I've never seen any, not comparable with seat belts or motorbike helmets.
There have been loads of studies and reports into the issue.

One argument is that wearing/doing something that makes you feel safer will lead to more accidents as you become less worried about road safety.

Although the outcome is accepted, the degree it actually affects road safety is hotly contested.

The other issue is that requiring people to carry a cycle helmet around just in case they might want to hire a bike would almost certainly reduce useage, and then you have to calculate whether the overall health benefits for society is worth one or two dead cyclists.

Alternative is to supply each bike with a helmet which is locked in, the same way the bike is locked in.
Off the top of my head - I seem to recall that was tried in another country.

Didn't work.

I wouldn't ever make use of a collective helmet. I can absolutely believe why it failed. Imagine the dregs of sweaty betties and over waxed hair. No thanks.


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