Three years of Boris Bikes: How do people use them?


By Dilla at 2013-08-17 11:32:53
London, UK
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2013-08-25 09:29:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

> I feel like they mostly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth become a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Oddly, I would say the literal opposite.

They are a bit of a pest for casual users -- markedly working out how to use the access codes if you are not comfortable with them.

But for standard users with an yearly pass they are brilliant for short hops round the place where you might have once used a bus or the tube.

Just take a look in the rush hour to see floods of commuters looking for one to end the mile of their journey connecting train station and office.

They were brilliant until they doubled the price.
didn't hear about that. i use the dongle and haven't checked my bills but what's the price now?
Membership charges have been doubled.

So it is now £2 for a day's membership instead of £1. And £90 for a year instead of £45. This happened approximately 6 months ago.

That's £180 for a pair which just crosses a certain mental barrier for me. I can't rationalize it.
That's just larger than what I pay for a month's tube


2013-08-25 12:25:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

> I feel like they mostly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth become a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Oddly, I would say the literal opposite.

They are a bit of a pest for casual users -- markedly working out how to use the access codes if you are not comfortable with them.

But for standard users with an yearly pass they are brilliant for short hops round the place where you might have once used a bus or the tube.

Just take a look in the rush hour to see floods of commuters looking for one to end the mile of their journey connecting train station and office.

They were brilliant until they doubled the price.
didn't hear about that. i use the dongle and haven't checked my bills but what's the price now?
Membership charges have been doubled.

So it is now £2 for a day's membership instead of £1. And £90 for a year instead of £45. This happened approximately 6 months ago.

That's £180 for a pair which just crosses a certain mental barrier for me. I can't rationalize it.
Still pretty cheap for a bike. Especially when you bare in mind you don't have to pay maintenance. edit: Or pay to replace it when it gets stolen.
Bikes can be got pretty cheap. I got mine for £80 second hand in as-good-as-new condition with some replacement tyres plus inner tubes. Maintenance expenses are minimal. You get a a great deal higher quality ride for the cash than with the boris bikes, following the first year it's pretty much free.
Until you lock it up someplace and have it stolen in half an hour. I've mislaid 4 bikes that way.
Not to mention, you need to bring in your bike out with you and are liable for taking it home with a normal bike. With a boris, you can tube into work then take a boris to someplace else and not worry regarding its welfare when you get there. They do have their reward and it's not an apples to apples comparison.


2013-08-25 16:34:20

I used to use it a lot before it doubled in price
Really?

So something that cost £45 a year was in fact good value and you used it a lot, but something that costs £90 is now such dire value that you wont employ it at all.

That just doesn't make sense.

What a dumb comment. What does the start price have to do with anything? If a can of beverage was 50p, and the next day it's £1, it can still be good value even still it's only 50p difference.

Also not everybody needs a year subscription. The casual price has also doubled, and when it all of a sudden costs less to take a bus, or just 10p more to catch the tube wherever in zone 1, then yes that value has dramatically changed, markedly when you still only get a miserable 30 minutes.

> If a can of drink was 50p, and the next day it's £1, it can still be good value even though it's simply 50p difference.

Bangs head on counter at sheer stupidity of people at times.

Of course when something costs 50p and goes to £1 that is a considerable hike in cost for an item of negligible consumer value.

Would -- for another equally stupid example then -- a 50p price rise on a the cost of a motor car make it poor value for money? Of course it wouldn't.

But for something costing just £45 to be to then transition to being so bad as to be avoided, then I would think the price point to change by more than £45.

It's not just me thinking this - TfL hires heaps of very smart people to crunch these sorts of numbers, and there is no way they would have recommended a £90 price point if the value for money dispute was so poor than the bikes would be abandoned overnight as uneconomic.

By your example, I suppose you are unable to grasp what the price is. How does your illustration even relate to what I said, let alone being OK, you don't even need to appreciate basic maths to realise that the folks commenting in here regarding how it's not good value for them appreciate what their value levels are better than you. Just for the reason that it's good value for you, and TFL are losing cash off the bikes so they had to put the price up, doesn't render it good value for everyone, £45 is a lot.


2013-08-25 17:46:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

> I feel like they mostly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth become a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Oddly, I would say the literal opposite.

They are a bit of a pest for casual users -- markedly working out how to use the access codes if you are not comfortable with them.

But for standard users with an yearly pass they are brilliant for short hops round the place where you might have once used a bus or the tube.

Just take a look in the rush hour to see floods of commuters looking for one to end the mile of their journey connecting train station and office.

I know so many people who have tried them and thought hey, this is great. And spent out and bought a bicycle for their day by day commute or frequent use.

I think that's a enormous factor/benefit that never truly gets measured. Raising the appeal and awareness in cycling.

I don't think it can be even partially accurately calculated and there-in lies the issue.
Well, you could quantify bike sales in an area formerly and after they put in the cycle share scheme.
I guess, barely what I would call accurate.


2013-08-25 18:47:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

> I feel like they mostly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth become a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Oddly, I would say the literal opposite.

They are a bit of a pest for casual users -- markedly working out how to use the access codes if you are not comfortable with them.

But for standard users with an yearly pass they are brilliant for short hops round the place where you might have once used a bus or the tube.

Just take a look in the rush hour to see floods of commuters looking for one to end the mile of their journey connecting train station and office.

I know so many people who have tried them and thought hey, this is great. And spent out and bought a bicycle for their day by day commute or frequent use.

I think that's a enormous factor/benefit that never truly gets measured. Raising the appeal and awareness in cycling.

I don't think it can be even partially accurately calculated and there-in lies the issue.
Well, you could quantify bike sales in an area formerly and after they put in the cycle share scheme.
I guess, barely what I would call accurate.
No, but a semi precise guide, and one that is not too challenging to gauge.


2013-08-25 23:50:20

I used to use it a lot before it doubled in price
Really?

So something that cost £45 a year was in fact good value and you used it a lot, but something that costs £90 is now such dire value that you wont employ it at all.

That just doesn't make sense.

When it became more costly than a single bus journey that was the clincher for me. I do even now use them but just on occasions now.


2013-08-26 01:11:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

> I feel like they mostly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth become a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Oddly, I would say the literal opposite.

They are a bit of a pest for casual users -- markedly working out how to use the access codes if you are not comfortable with them.

But for standard users with an yearly pass they are brilliant for short hops round the place where you might have once used a bus or the tube.

Just take a look in the rush hour to see floods of commuters looking for one to end the mile of their journey connecting train station and office.

They were brilliant until they doubled the price.
didn't hear about that. i use the dongle and haven't checked my bills but what's the price now?
it went from £45 to £90 per year and £1 to £2 for 24hrs
Wow double!


2013-08-26 03:56:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

I worked on the project group when the scheme was being established and for almost 10 months following 'go live'. The original commerce case in fact stated that the scheme would not be a 'final mile' rail user scheme and it came as a bit of a shock at the popularity round the major rail hubs into the city (Waterloo, Paddington, King's Cross, London bridge). As such there was a big effort to develop access in these areas in the morning and evening to the point where we had members of staff collecting bikes from users to free up space or supervising docking stations to make certain there was a bike available. redeployment of the bikes was a major headache.

Oyster wasn't an option due to the limitations of the card not the scheme, the card can only retain a limited quantity of information and there wasn't sufficient space on it to handle the oyster information along with the bike information so it wasn't built-in despite being investigated.

In actual fact i imagine that the stats illustrate that the best part of users are boris-esque. White middle aged men who use it as another way to get about. Ill see if i can the article.

EDIT: The article (although a bit old now) http://www.standard.co.uk/news/boris-bike-users-are-like-boris-johnson-6551622.html


2013-08-26 08:17:20

Uick noob user ion - can you check them out at any stand and return them to an alternative or must they be returned to same location?


2013-08-26 10:42:20

I feel like they regularly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth grow to be a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Maybe if they were on Oyster it would help. Also if they were more prevalent in zones 2 and 3, so people may possibly use them for local journeys in the region of where they live. If I'm in zone 1, I've perhaps had to get the bus or tube to where I was going anyway.

> I feel like they mostly get used by tourists, and haven't in truth become a routine transport option for most Londoners on journeys.

Oddly, I would say the literal opposite.

They are a bit of a pest for casual users -- markedly working out how to use the access codes if you are not comfortable with them.

But for standard users with an yearly pass they are brilliant for short hops round the place where you might have once used a bus or the tube.

Just take a look in the rush hour to see floods of commuters looking for one to end the mile of their journey connecting train station and office.

I know so many people who have tried them and thought hey, this is great. And spent out and bought a bicycle for their day by day commute or frequent use.

I think that's a enormous factor/benefit that never truly gets measured. Raising the appeal and awareness in cycling.

I don't think it can be even partially accurately calculated and there-in lies the issue.
Well, you could quantify bike sales in an area formerly and after they put in the cycle share scheme.
I guess, barely what I would call accurate.
No, but a semi precise guide, and one that is not too challenging to gauge.
True


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